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though oranges are pretty much entirely juice by t...

2010-07-17T21:41:53.411-04:00

though oranges are pretty much entirely juice by the looks of your pic!?!

Use the same analogy with corn on the cob and a co...

2010-01-18T18:52:13.992-05:00

Use the same analogy with corn on the cob and a coke. A medium ear of corn "on the cob" has six grams of sugar and a soda has 45 grams of corn syrup. Thats 7.3 cobs!

7.3 cobs of corn has 23 grams of fiber to help steady the sugar. The coke, zilch.
Mavis

I drink mostly filtered water and teas these days....

2010-01-17T23:50:25.715-05:00

I drink mostly filtered water and teas these days. Both are good at all temperatures and there is a lot of variety in flavors and I don't need to add any sugars.

Good advice that i ve been following to almost 90%...

2010-01-16T13:04:10.788-05:00

Good advice that i ve been following to almost 90% cut from juices considering the way they are made these days. I prefer an orange or apple with the bitting and chewing involved...i m more satisfied as well.

This time of year, I commonly eat one or two navel...

2010-01-12T06:04:54.201-05:00

This time of year, I commonly eat one or two navels, two or three satsumas, sometimes an apple or kiwi, and I'm well aware how high sugar this up (though I'm not stopping). I have a friend with brand new juicer, and his juice is ~75% veggies, 25% fruit. He's absolutely under the impression that if 5 servings of veggies is good for you, than 25 is REALLY good for you. Meanwhile, fruit is too sweet and acidic, but fruit juice is okay, and water is bland and nasty?

I don't understand his logic, nor do I think this is good for him. I am pretty much strictly water and coffee, except for the occasional fruit juice with vodka, or glass of wine.

@ Dr Wharton, A "sweet" experiment inde...

2010-01-11T23:36:29.927-05:00

@ Dr Wharton,

A "sweet" experiment indeed. Even squeezing the oranges by hand, I'm willing to bet that it was far onto the positive side of the energy equation (e.g. energy in>energy out). If only someone would lend me a GoWear Fit Armband then we could be certain!

@ Luke,

Touché :) I have changed the post to "essentially", which I think gets the message across without straying into semantic difficulties.

According to Caloriecount.about.com, 1 navel orange has 50-70 calories, suggesting that the juice from my 6 oranges (I removed almost all the flesh down to the pith) had somewhere in the neighbourhood of 300-400 calories. The Minute Maid that I compared it to had just 216 calories. I have no idea why there would be such a massive discrepancy. Minute Maid is made from Valencia oranges (among others), which seem to contain roughly the same number of calories as the navel oranges that I used. So somehow they get the same amount of liquid, with fewer calories (although it is still more calories than in a similar volume of Coke).

I'm not sure what to make of this discrepancy, let me know if you have any thoughts.

"You would never consider sitting down and...

2010-01-11T23:15:46.289-05:00
"You would never consider sitting down and eating 6 oranges in succession - that is obviously far more orange than anyone needs in the entire day, let alone a single sitting. But when you drink a bottle of orange juice, that is exactly what you're doing. "

what is the calorie comparison between 6 oranges and the juice that 6 oranges provide? I don't think your usage of the term "exactly" is appropriate here.

your experiment puts things into perspective though. nice job!

Good question, Matt. Even 100% juice contains a l...

2010-01-11T19:58:36.056-05:00
Good question, Matt. Even 100% juice contains a lot of sugar. So in general, the more juice you consume, the more sugar and calories you are consuming. Whether natural or not, consuming too much sugar is still a very bad thing. So whether it's replacing fruit in your diet or not, drinking too much juice is not in your best interest.

Great article! I am fruit juice junky so I'll ...

2010-01-11T19:34:38.253-05:00
Great article! I am fruit juice junky so I'll try and cut back. However, I do have a few questions before I go cold turkey.

Does fruit juice with no sugar added contribute to obesity or any health risks? Your point is made that one cannot replace eating actual fruits with simply drinking juice. However, is it harmful to consume large amounts of juice or is it simply just not a good meal replacement?

Travis, this is a sweet experiment, maybe you shou...

2010-01-11T17:15:05.410-05:00
Travis, this is a sweet experiment, maybe you should have calculated the amount of calories you expended squeezing and then tell people they can only drink juice if they squeeze, could work out energy negative, or at least neutral. Love the blog site bro.

Travis, Agreed, it's probably better to just...

2010-01-11T16:51:37.951-05:00
Travis,

Agreed, it's probably better to just eat the veggies, but one benefit is that by drinking a small glass in the morning (probably about 6 oz) I assure myself of at least one serving of veggies in a busy day. For me it's definitely more filling than the equivalent amount of fruit juice.

To me the much greater evil is slurping down 12+ ounces of fruit juice a day in the belief that it's "healthy." But if I ever have a blood pressure problem, like you say, I'll need to figure out a different solution.

@ Dave, The original V8 seems like one of the bet...

2010-01-11T16:42:34.212-05:00
@ Dave,

The original V8 seems like one of the better juices (sodium aside), but there are quite a few new V8 brands that seem to be emulating Tropicana and going for the sweeter fruit juices. As you mentioned, the sodium in original V8 is also a real concern, and I would be willing to bet that it still has less fiber than if you consumed the equivalent veggies in solid form. And of course anything in a liquid is less filling than its solid form. So in my mind there are still some pretty good reasons to go for the real thing (or plain water) rather than the V8. Now if it's V8 versus no fruits or veggies at all, then that's probably a different story, but that would seem to be a diet with greater problems than just the V8.

Anyone else have thoughts on V8 or other juices?

I drink V8 rather than fruit juice. Yes, it's ...

2010-01-11T16:26:00.521-05:00
I drink V8 rather than fruit juice. Yes, it's pretty high in sodium, but it has a lot more fiber and way fewer calories than most fruit juice.

@ Chris, That is a fantastic idea, thanks for sha...

2010-01-11T16:07:08.163-05:00
@ Chris,

That is a fantastic idea, thanks for sharing. I have also placed a slice of lemon, or even cucumber (that idea came from Darya Pino of summertomato.com) in my water bottle, which really freshens up the water and gives it that little bit of flavour. Thanks for the helpful comment!

Anyone else have personal strategies for getting by with a bit less juice in their day?

Travis

One thing that has worked very well for me is to d...

2010-01-11T13:20:28.772-05:00
One thing that has worked very well for me is to dilute my fruit juice with water. (I don't usually like drinking plain water because our local water doesn't taste very good and I refuse to buy bottled water.)

I started out with about 2/3 juice and 1/3 water, and as time went on, kept decreasing the proportion of juice. My taste really has changed -- I'm now at about 1 part juice to 3 parts water, and I can't stand to drink full-strength fruit juice any more -- it's so sweet it's like drinking a candy bar.